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Aldaron's proposal
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Aldaron's proposal
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05-06-2013, 12:34 AM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2013, 04:27 AM by medicham.)
what is Aldaron's proposal exactly and what does it mean? am i on the right track? if Drizzle + Swift Swim = uber then is Snow Warning + Blizzard also uber? as well as Drought + solar beam? drizzle + Hydration too? a brief explanation would be nice as reading through his lengthy post was pretty tedious yet informational at the same time. i didn't really quite understand what all he meant. the quote is long so i won't paste it here. i am not totally against the idea of using rain dance + drizzle and like things for only uber in competitive battles. i have been told that politoed is the only drizzle user in OU and cannot be paired with a swift swim user for competitive battles and still be legal. if thunder and drizzle is not illegal then i hope snow warning and blizzard are not either. sand stream in my opinion is not very uber even though it does damage and raises special defense of steel, rock and ground Pokemon by a half. but it could be considered uber because of sand rush (excadrill is common) and sand force, particularly sand force landorus. as far as sunny day goes leaf guard and rest might prove to be a good combination as well as the fact that a solar beam does not take a turn to charge any more.

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05-06-2013, 08:37 AM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2013, 08:39 AM by Hana Song.)
Aldaron's Proposal was made some time into the Gen V competitive scene, when rain teams were even more dominant than they are today, with pretty much every team being Politoed and a number of Swift Swim Pokémon. The main Pokémon bought to the forefront of the argument was Kingdra, whose STABs could hit every Pokémon in the game for at least neutral damage. This fact, coupled with the fact that, as well as doubling the Speed of such Pokémon, buffed their Water-type attacks as much as they did, made it clear to people that rain this generation was, indeed, broken.

Back in Gen IV, Rain Dance teams were well-used, and definitely effective, but the fact remained there that the only auto-weather abilities for the main two weather effects were in the Ubers tier - Kyogre and Groudon for rain and sun, respectively. Sand and hail didn't have Pokémon that were able to double their stats like rain and sun did, so they were more used for stall than offense.

So with Pokémon like Kingdra and Ludicolo running around in the tier with their great typing, movepool and buffed stats, the higher-ups in Smogon came up with this new clause - Aldaron's Proposal - banning the use of Drizzle and Swift Swim on the same team. That, and nothing else, was changed due to no other weather effects being as devastating to the metagame as rain was, and is.

Drought and Chlorophyll are great combinations, but nowhere near as damaging as Drizzle and Swift Swim - the attacks most commonly used on those teams are Fire-types, which are pretty easily stopped, and Grass-types, which are weak to their own weather effect. Go figure.

Sand, even with the addition of Sand Rush and Sand Force, still weren't seen as amazingly broken apart from the Pokémon Excadrill, which was banned to the Ubers tier early in Gen V. This decision was made seeing that the actual ability of Sand Rush wasn't used much, and wasn't even available on many Pokémon anyway - even now, all that have the ability are Sandslash and Stoutland.

Hail doesn't have an ability like that period, though with the semi-recent changes to the OU tier - the same times as the decisions that banned Genesect and Tornadus-T to the Ubers tier, Garchomp was once again bought down into OU, after being banned in Gen IV, then banned again in Gen V after a short stint in the OU tier at the beginning - both Snow Cloak and Sand Veil are now banned abilities, with Rough Skin being the only ability that Garchomp is permitted to use.

This can be seen as the same as the banning of Swift Swim and Drizzle on the same team, just a little more harsh. The abilities themselves aren't overpowered, just as the Pokémon that have Swift Swim themselves aren't, but when paired with their respective weather effect, they can become incredibly powerful.

Moves such as Thunder, Blizzard and Solarbeam being modified under separate weather effects are no problem in any way, however, due to them being easy enough to stop and hinder - simply changing the active weather effect is enough to set back their power and progress greatly. There's no reason to even consider changing the metagame in regards to them, as they are easy enough to stop as they are.

Aldaron's Proposal can be summed up in one sentence, however, and a rather simple one at that. The offensive typing of Pokémon with the ability Swift Swim, coupled with their weather effect's inherent abilities, render said Pokémon being increasingly difficult to stop and counter, thus unbalancing the metagame.

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