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DPPT: Rate My 4th Gen Competitive Team?
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DPPT: Rate My 4th Gen Competitive Team?
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05-23-2012, 08:30 PM
Again, These are all suggestions. If you feel what you think is necessary, by all means do that. I just feel Aromatherapy/Heal Bell is necessary on a Blissey in 4th Gen.
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05-23-2012, 08:36 PM
(05-23-2012, 08:30 PM)Bordeaux Wrote: Again, These are all suggestions. If you feel what you think is necessary, by all means do that. I just feel Aromatherapy/Heal Bell is necessary on a Blissey in 4th Gen.

Yeah, but you're right. Blissey walls better so making it a status healer is better anyways. Dragonite needs Roost to help set up with Dragon Dance.

Also, I love the pseudo BoltBeam moveset as much as the next guy, but Shadow Ball and Thunderbolt seems to have as good coverage. Anyways, I don't want to have to many moves of the same types.

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05-23-2012, 08:38 PM
BoltBeam will definately provide more coverage that Tbolt + Shadowball, but If you feel comfortable with it go ahead.
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05-24-2012, 10:53 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2012, 10:54 AM by Oscar Wilde.)
Your team is weak to ice

One, why have curse Quag over curse Swampert? Swampert is better in pretty much all cases, with superior bulk and higher attack.

Just a word of advice, unless your team has fire, steel/poison and a ground type, you will pretty much always need a cleric. Even then it's advised.

Shadow Ball is bad coverage on raikou. Hidden power ice goes over it. Also tbh, roar is negative priority which just asks people to hit you. Substitute goes over that.

Tbh, just put the Restalk curseset on swampert. With a cleric and the ability to burn turns, rest is good recovery.

Why is fire punch on d-nite? that's 5th gen logic (and still pretty flawed). With fire punch you are still walled by Skarm, but as an added bonus, you are now walled by heatran. Fire punch has a horrible base power. Fire Blast and Earthquake go over Roost and Fire punch. Jolly with max speed and attack. Sweepers sweep. Walls wall. Choose one and stick with it, or you end up doing too much and fail at doing anything.


Gravity is also pretty bad, Dusknoir doesn't have the luxury of wasting turns on gravity, especially in a team not specifically made for it. Just go with the 4th gen smog set.
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05-24-2012, 09:27 PM
EDIT: I changed Gravity for Trick Room and that seemed to get me A LOT of wins. I am like 10-6 right now. I also changed Shadow Ball for Hidden Power Ice (70). Thanks. Smile My team is on Shoddy Battle and my username is KingWiggins if you want to fight me Smile

Also, Quagsire has not failed me yet in standard play. Dragon Claw + Fire Punch has been working too. Taking out Roar for Substitute though sounds promising though.

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05-25-2012, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 05-25-2012, 12:20 PM by Oscar Wilde.)
Quagsire is NU and Swampert is OU. That alone should tell you how much better Swampert is. If you're content with the weaknesses your team has however, I won't stop you. That said, these changes will make your team better.

Also, try to aim a bit higher than 10-6.
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05-25-2012, 03:27 PM (This post was last modified: 05-25-2012, 03:56 PM by WillsPokemon.)
Quagsire is in NU, UU, OU, and Ubers. Swampert is only in OU.

Point? At least Quagsire made it to OU AND Ubers.

Anyways, I switched Quagsire for Tyranitar and gave it Dragon Dance, Crunch, Stone Edge, and Aqua Tail with an Adamant Nature with Lum Berry because I don't have a Rotom counter.

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05-26-2012, 09:42 AM
Well to be perfectly honest TTar isn't exactly a counter to Rotom...since Rotom-W is the most common variation you see then a STAB Hydo Pump can really hurt TTar even after it gets the Sp Def boost from Sandstorm.....not only that but adding Sand to your team just hurts the rest of your members seeing as how Skarmory is the only one who doesn't take any damage.....So to me TTar is a bad idea...

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05-26-2012, 10:59 AM (This post was last modified: 05-26-2012, 11:00 AM by Oscar Wilde.)
You do know what the tiers mean right?

Quag is tiered way lower than Swampert, which means Swampert outclasses Quag in 4th gen. It's bulkier, stronger and has a better movepool.
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